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is an idea. A get-rich-quick
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scheme, no experience at all.
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On the day before Thanksgiving, in
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1971, a man using the
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name Dan Cooper bought a $20 one-way
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ticket from Portland to Seattle. He
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paid in cash. He
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boarded the plane, sat towards the back,
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and ordered a bourbon and soda. When
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the plane took off, he handed the
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flight attendant a note. She
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put it away without looking at it. She
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assumed he was trying to give her his number.
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She was used to businessmen trying to flirt with
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her. But when
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the man saw that she didn't look at it,
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he leaned over and whispered, Miss,
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you'd better look at that note. I have
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a bomb. The note
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told her to sit down beside him, and
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when she did, the man opened his
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briefcase. Inside, there
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were eight red cylinders. attached
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to wires. The
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flight attendant took the man's demands to the
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pilot. When the plane landed, he
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wanted $200,000 and four parachutes. Once
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the plane landed, the man let
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all of the passengers disembark. But
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he kept the crew on as hostages.
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He demanded that they take off again,
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this time in the direction of Mexico
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City. And 45
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minutes into the flight, the man strapped
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the cash to himself and jumped off
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the plane. Search
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parties looked for the man in the cash
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for days. But they
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couldn't find either. He had just disappeared.
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It was all over the news, although
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the hijacker pseudonym, Dan Cooper,
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was misreported as D.B. Cooper.
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He's still never been found. It's been 47 years.
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Twenty-eight-year-old Martin McNally was driving with a
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friend in Detroit when he heard about
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D.B. Cooper on the radio. At
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that particular time, I laughed very
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loud, and I told my friend
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that that's not a bad way to make
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some money. Martin
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thought, how hard could it be if
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D.B. Cooper could do it? He could too. I
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had no experience being on planes. I
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never put on a parachute, and
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I never owned a gun. Martin
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was unemployed. He'd worked a
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series of jobs after being discharged from
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the Navy years earlier. He'd
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tried a few small-time scams. Once
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he got busted putting fake quarters
3:37
into a laundromat change machine. Nothing
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had really worked out. So
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he threw himself into trying to figure out
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how to hijack an airplane. First,
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he went to the local library. He
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spent about five hours pulling
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out books
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on parachuting and World
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War II adventures. in
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flying and so forth. And
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it took about four hours to
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come across the calculation that
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I wanted. And it was
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an algebraic calculation to determine terminal
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velocity. And
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once I had that, I wrote
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down the formula and
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left and went home. Martin
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did all of the calculations himself, figuring
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out how high above the ground the plane
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should be and how fast it
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should be going for him to safely jump
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out and open a parachute. He
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was most concerned with how long he would
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have after the jump before he needed to
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open the parachute. He figured he
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had about 15 to 20 seconds. The
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next step was to find the right airport.
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For five months, Martin scouted
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airports across the Midwest. He
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visited Indianapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, and
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Kansas City. He
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finally chose St. Louis's Lambert
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Airport. He thought it had the
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worst security. He visited two
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more times to prepare. He
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bought a ticket with forged Navy
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discharge papers under the name
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Robert Wilson. And
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on the afternoon of June 23, 1972, he
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walked into the airport, went up to the
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counter, gave the agent his ticket, and boarded
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the plane. We didn't go through
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any metal detectors at this time. If
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there had been metal detectors, I
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wouldn't have been on that plane, period.
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So I was able to get on the plane and with a gun.
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Yeah, with my, I
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had a sort of rifle.
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It looked like a World War II grease gun.
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And I had a
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pistol, and I had a smoke
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grenade. And I was dressed like
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a businessman suit and tie and
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sport coat, sunglasses. Didn't
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have my wig on at that time. Sat
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down, and we took a look.
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later described as a hippie-type
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wig. Then he opened
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the bathroom door and crouched down in the aisle
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at the back of the plane. And
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I was waving, waving to
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the stewardesses, but no stewardesses could
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see me, did see me,
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for about three minutes. Finally,
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a stewardess saw me and
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came back, and she was a young
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lady, and she said, don't hurt anybody. And
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I said, young lady, I'm not here to hurt anybody.
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I'm here to give the pilot a
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message. And I
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said, take this note, then up
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to the pilot, and then come back here immediately.
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So that's what she did. What did
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the note say? Had you written it at home?
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Yes, I typed it at home
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on a typewriter. And
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actually, I had the original and
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the carbon copy. And by mistake,
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I gave the stewardess the carbon
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copy. And the
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carbon copy didn't have
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the red-bald type that
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was on the original. So it's hard to read? Yeah,
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it would have been a little harder
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to read. But the pilot got the
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gist of it. This is a skyjacking.
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All I want is the money. Here's
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the instructions that you need to do. Notify
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the FBI. I want
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$502,000. Why
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the extra $2,000? Why not just making
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an even copy? That's spending money.
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That would have been pocket change. Martin
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says his plan was to bury the
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half-million-dollar package wherever he happened to
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land after he jumped out of the plane and
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use the extra $2,000 to get back home to Michigan, pick
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up his car, and drive to Canada. He
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would come back and dig up the half-million once
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things had cooled down. But
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first, he had to get the money. The
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captain tells over
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the intercom. Yeah,
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they were looking at me. And
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I wondered about that. So
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I went into the bathroom, and I looked in the mirror,
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and I looked a mess. I looked a
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mess. Both eyes
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were brown, and my chin was, uh, looked
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like it had been ripped and a little bloody,
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and my hair was a mess. So,
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uh, yeah, I was, I, I
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was messed up there. He
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put water on his hair and combed it and
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tried to clean off some of the blood. He
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then went back into the bar and ordered a
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hamburger and a beer. Around
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midnight, he went to a hotel. The
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hotel clerk was listening to radio reports
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about the hijacker. She joked,
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you're not the hijacker, are you? Martin
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just smiled and went up to his room. I
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was looking out the window, looking
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down the street. There were
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a lot of cars on the street, and there
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were, uh, two men, uh,
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walking, walking down the street. And
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they weren't in suits. And
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they were looking in, uh, windows.
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And, yeah, they, I figured they were the
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FBI. I
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understand they had about 200 FBI agents,
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uh, searching, plus
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local police and so forth. The
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money was soon found in
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a field by a soybean farmer.
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A couple of hours later, another farmer
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ran over the gun with his tractor.
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The search for Martin was intensifying. He
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had a friend come pick him up and drive
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him back to Michigan. He
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didn't think anybody knew who he was, so
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he just went home. And
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immediately, he started making plans to
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do it all again, without
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losing the money this time. He
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bragged to a friend about it, but
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Martin didn't know that the FBI was
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already watching his house. So,
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you do end up getting arrested? Yes,
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yes, I do. Almost
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six days after Martin hijacked the plane, a
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dozen FBI agents surrounded him as he
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was walking home one night. They'd
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found his fingerprints on the plane and
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on the note that he'd handed to
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the flight attendant. They'd
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also searched his house and found ammunition
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and parts of a gun. He
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was charged with two counts of
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federal aircraft piracy. Part
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of his lawyer's defense was that the
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jump Martin made was impossible. There
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was no way anyone could have survived it. It
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didn't work. Martin was
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given two life sentences. And
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in 1973, less than a year later,
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airports started installing metal
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detectors. I
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wonder if you ever thought when
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you were in the courtroom hearing the
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two natural life sentences and thinking to
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yourself, I didn't
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even get the money. Yeah,
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of course. I said,
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I got two life sentences and it cost
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me about two or three thousand dollars to
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put the everything together.
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This thing took about five months. I
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did a lot of driving around and spending
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a lot of time looking at airports and
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seeing the sights and getting all
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the equipment together, the gun. I
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thought that I
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got the life and it cost me
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two grand. You
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feel bad about it? Oh,
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God, do I feel bad about it? I
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really don't know what to say. I
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don't feel bad about anything. I
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don't feel bad about anything. Should I
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feel bad? Martin
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was sent to Leavenworth Federal
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Penitentiary in Kansas, where
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one day a fellow hijacker knocked
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on his door. Knocked
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on my door and he
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said, can I come in? I said, yes, come on
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in. I said, what's up? He
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said, how would you like to leave this
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place in a helicopter? And
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I said, well, I
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paused. Well, I don't know. We're
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going to have to discuss this. We'll
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have to discuss the details before I
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make a decision on something
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like that. But
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yeah, let's look into this. To
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hear that part of the story, listen to episode
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