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let's just get right into it real quick. What was

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it like, and I'm sure you've been asked this a

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thousand times, like growing up Trump? Yeah,

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it was interesting. We had

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obviously incredibly blessed with so many things.

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I think we recognized that at an

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early age. And that's largely because, you

1:00

know, my mom, you know, and her family sort of

1:02

came from the opposite of that. Right. My

1:04

mom and she's born in communist Czechoslovakia, escaped

1:07

because she was a good athlete, did so

1:09

legally, but escaped that

1:11

basically the 76 Olympics could do is a

1:13

skier. And from a really

1:16

young age, she made sure we

1:18

sort of saw the other side of that.

1:20

I went, you know, with my grandparents,

1:22

I spoke Czech fluently. I spent my summers

1:24

in communist Czechoslovakia. I had friends from over

1:26

there. And so, you know, I

1:29

had the juxtaposition of that

1:31

with Mar-a-Lago. So you got to see

1:33

all things. And I

1:35

think it was really important to have that understanding.

1:37

So many people I would have, you know,

1:39

and even friends of mine and peers and, you

1:41

know, school growing up in New York City, living

1:43

in Trump Tower. I think without

1:46

that balance, things could have gone really

1:48

far off the rails. But you know, it was

1:50

interesting because you sort of like anything

1:52

else, you sort of get used to it. But

1:54

I think both of my parents made sure that we sort

1:56

of had that balance. They always, you know, we had to

1:58

have we. had to work summer

2:01

jobs that wasn't an option. You

2:03

know I we had to work for the things that

2:05

we wanted to so I got Nintendo when all my

2:07

friends were getting Sega because by the time I earned

2:09

it wasn't like a clean your room and you get

2:11

whatever you want it was you know things that took

2:14

time yet you had to actually earn

2:16

it so you know under some pretty

2:19

you know pretty blessed situations that usually

2:22

go wrong. You know

2:24

I think at least for my brother

2:26

my sister myself worked out pretty well

2:28

considering. Yeah, no definitely and then and

2:30

then are you like are you being

2:32

raised by mom dad of my nannies

2:34

like. Yeah, let little combination

2:36

of it all I mean I think you know I

2:38

probably give the most credit to for my grandparents

2:41

on my mother's side the ones

2:43

that you know from communist Czechoslovakia they were here

2:45

you know half the year and I spent my

2:47

summers over there and you

2:49

know that that was a big part of it, you know

2:52

we had some it just incredible people throughout our lives you

2:54

know sort of you know sort of like

2:56

with business or anything else that you know people you

2:58

almost look at like mentors like they're a couple guys

3:00

I have some guys that were security guards that just

3:02

for like okay done like we're going to

3:04

take a shooting every weekend and we just would do

3:06

that and you know guys that opened

3:08

up doors that I may not have otherwise been exposed

3:10

to so you know

3:13

I guess as the saying goes it takes a village and there

3:15

are a lot of people sort of in that process. What

3:17

what was the order born when you first

3:19

born. I'm the oldest yeah,

3:21

so it's you Eric. I'm

3:24

a Ivanka Eric, okay, so

3:26

now Ivanka dude, she's like

3:28

gorgeous. I mean compared to any

3:30

guy in the family, she's much more beautiful than you

3:32

guys are so like did that there

3:34

you say that in 2023 Grant, I think you know. I

3:40

mean beauty pageant contestant winner and stuff like that,

3:42

but now that she's great. Yeah, so so did

3:44

she rob some of your thunder, I mean first

3:46

born you like your dad had to be so

3:48

proud that she does that rob a little bit

3:50

of your thunder because it's the first girl I

3:52

got 2 girls so I don't know what it's

3:54

like. Well, it's it's

3:57

sort of interesting you see with the girls they just

3:59

you know I I look at my girls compared to

4:01

my boys. I got five kids and I

4:03

also know how that happens now so I got new hobbies. But

4:06

you know the girls just also mature so

4:08

much faster. You know what I mean? I

4:11

look at my daughter, you know, my

4:13

nine-year-old is the way she just conducts

4:15

herself and versus my boys in you

4:18

know early teens and or you know

4:20

just you know pre-teens it's

4:22

just so different. So

4:24

yeah, Ivanka was definitely you

4:27

know as the girl and you know especially

4:29

with the Trumps I mean definitely very

4:32

much loved by my dad but she also kicked ass and

4:34

everything that she did started off at a very young age

4:37

and you know just sort of did

4:39

a great job with all of that. So I think we

4:41

all came into our own very differently at a different ages.

4:44

Yeah, what's your earliest memory from that whole scene?

4:46

Like if you had one early memory from being

4:48

a Trump? I

4:51

mean yeah, we had some interesting

4:54

memories. I mean you know playing Nintendo

4:56

with like Michael Jackson, you

4:59

know, yeah like back when you know

5:01

back when you know he was you know Beyonce,

5:03

Jay Z, all the biggest people

5:05

combined as one individual right? There was probably

5:07

no one bigger at any moment in time

5:10

you know than than peak Michael and I mean I

5:12

used to sit there and play video games with

5:14

him as a kid. Unbelievable. So there were things

5:16

that you realized you know this is not the

5:18

norm. This is not necessarily normal and yet you

5:20

know I guess for us some of that was normal.

5:23

Yeah, so were you was the family always

5:25

around celebrities? I mean you were you were

5:28

basically raised. I

5:31

mean certainly my parents were. I think you know for

5:33

me it was never really

5:36

my thing right? It was always a you

5:38

know I sort of avoided that. I went to boarding school

5:40

at a pretty young age when I was like you know

5:42

in eighth grade in central Pennsylvania. I

5:45

was always sort of into the outdoor stuff

5:47

so you know my friends tended to sort

5:49

of gravitate from you know far more normal

5:51

places than than celebrity and I

5:53

wasn't you know even living in New York in

5:55

my you know twenties and stuff like that and

5:57

starting to work. You know I was never that

5:59

good. guy on like the let's call it, I don't

6:02

know, the New York City like rubber chicken dinner

6:04

charity circuit thing like, you know, I picked one

6:06

I own took ownership of it worked really hard,

6:08

but it wasn't about checking all the boxes off

6:10

to be at all the things to

6:13

be seen. I actually probably, you know,

6:15

avoided most of that throughout

6:18

most of my life until, you

6:20

know, I sort of figured out, I guess it was

6:22

really with the apprentice, until

6:25

I sort of figured out like, hey, wait a

6:27

second, like, you can actually parlay, you know,

6:29

some of that celebrity or, you know,

6:32

let's call it followers on social media and

6:35

into business, right? Like, I am

6:37

actually not, you know,

6:41

exercising my fullest potential if I

6:43

don't take advantage of that as

6:45

a business guy, or,

6:47

you know, so, you know, so those things

6:49

sort of change. So I went from probably,

6:52

you know, avoiding those things and the

6:54

celebrity and that stuff at all costs to,

6:56

you know, embracing it

6:59

enough that you parlay

7:01

it into a competitive advantage. Yeah, not so much

7:04

that it becomes all encompassing in your life, but

7:06

trying to find that happy medium there, if that

7:08

makes any sense. Yeah, no, it makes a lot

7:10

of sense. So you're saying it was the apprentice

7:12

that kind of how were you when when this

7:15

hit you? I

7:17

mean, this probably like, I guess, you know,

7:19

late 20s, early 30s. And it was like,

7:21

okay, wait a second. So you know, I

7:23

got this last name, I'm not going to

7:26

be able to avoid that. Right. Right. You

7:28

know, if I can turn that into XYZ,

7:30

as opposed to just x, because I'm not

7:32

taking advantage of it. I mean, that's

7:35

sort of sort of foolish. But

7:37

you know, you also see people go off the deep

7:39

end with that stuff when it's just becomes all about

7:41

that. And there's nothing really they so I

7:44

guess, I was blessed to sort of

7:46

at least in my mind, you know, maintain sort of enough

7:48

of that, you know, the roots

7:50

my grandparents instilled in me, you know, keep keep

7:52

enough of that and sort of escape the insanity

7:54

on the weekends and spend my time in the

7:56

woods and on streams fishing and hunting and, you

7:59

know, maintain And if anything more so,

8:01

just kept my normal friends from normal

8:03

walks of life that weren't necessarily part

8:05

of that group. But hey,

8:08

if I could promote a building

8:10

or whatever we were selling a little bit more by

8:12

being out there, again, you got

8:14

to take advantage of the things that you're given.

8:16

Yeah, and this is just for the viewers and

8:18

listeners, by the way. We got X on here

8:20

right now. So this

8:24

is pre-social media. Social media has

8:26

not exploded. TV is still in

8:28

its heyday. Apprentice is rocking, what,

8:30

13, 14 seasons or

8:32

something. And so you're

8:34

seeing for the first time, that's

8:37

interesting to hear, that you could actually leverage

8:39

celebrity without going off the deep end. The

8:42

thing I admire about you and your brother and

8:44

your sisters is that you guys have

8:46

not got lost in the life of

8:49

celebrity that I've seen a lot of people do. Do

8:51

you think the hunting and the fishing and I know

8:54

your communist upbringing or the influence your

8:58

grandparents have with communism, do

9:00

you think that that's what's kept you grounded? I

9:03

really think so. It was those times I

9:05

got into the outdoor stuff that I'm into.

9:10

I'm not saying I was an angel. I'm

9:12

not saying in my 20s I was, I've

9:14

had my moments for sure. I mean, I

9:17

also, I wasn't Hunter Biden, but

9:19

I wasn't an angel. But

9:23

I think the outdoor stuff, waking up at 4 o'clock

9:25

in the morning to be in a duck blind or

9:27

a deer stand or something like that, it

9:30

kept a level of normalcy. I

9:32

think I escaped New

9:34

York City so much

9:37

because of that. I guess my real

9:39

first real estate purchase was like this

9:41

little piece of land and basically upstate

9:43

New York and the Catskills on a river because I

9:45

wanted to go fishing. And I really liked that. And

9:47

it pulled

9:50

you out of that world. And again, I'm not

9:52

saying I didn't enjoy some of that in my

9:54

early 20s when I was wilder and doing it.

9:56

But I was lucky

9:58

to be able to straddle that bridge. have sort

10:00

of one foot in each pond and not just

10:02

sort of be fully committed to one because you

10:04

know I think at

10:06

least the in terms of the New York stuff

10:08

that could have gone really wrong really fast

10:10

as it has for a lot of people what what

10:12

so you brought up your 20's what's the craziest thing

10:14

you did in your 20's. Statue

10:19

of limitations isn't likely yet expired

10:21

grants. Okay. I

10:23

you know my my my early moments was

10:26

awful so. Yeah, I

10:28

definitely did some dumbass stuff and I by

10:30

the way I think you

10:33

know I I don't I don't want or I

10:35

wouldn't trust anyone who hasn't done

10:37

those things. You know

10:39

I I see that a lot in politics that you have

10:41

so many people that you know so

10:44

pure a technical right that you know it's

10:46

like what you know anything about life like

10:48

have you experienced anything beyond sort of just

10:51

you know some sort of cookie

10:53

cutter thing that this is what you're supposed to have

10:55

done so I think you actually need. You

10:57

know some of that in life to

11:00

actually have a a more complete

11:02

understanding of how it all comes together. When

11:04

when so when did you start working with

11:06

Trump with with the organization. Yes,

11:09

I graduated from Wharton spring of 2000. And all

11:11

my father

11:15

and said hey I'm moving to Colorado to be a

11:17

bartender and a you know my fishing guide and moved

11:20

out West for about you know about

11:22

2 years. I

11:25

guess just wanted to get some stuff out of my system

11:27

again, you know good times but also you

11:30

know what it's sort of hey you're going into a family

11:32

business is it really what you want like I I sort

11:34

of love the you grow up in some of it but

11:37

but you know it's it is very hard.

11:39

We can talk about this later as well as I

11:41

did sort of remake myself perhaps a little bit later

11:43

on in life as well, but it's

11:45

sort of hard to wake up at 35 for a lot of people

11:47

and be like oh crap I like I'm

11:49

totally trapped in something I didn't want to do. But

11:53

you know you now you got a job and a mortgage

11:55

and kids and like I

11:58

see so many people that are you know. miserable

12:00

and trapped in that. So I guess for me, at then

12:02

I was like, Hey, I don't have any of those things.

12:04

I just graduated from a great business school, but is it

12:06

what I wanted to do? So you know, called my father's

12:09

like, Hey, I'm moving out to Colorado, got a job in

12:11

a bar. This was an amazing conversation. By the way, this

12:13

would have been a you

12:16

can only imagine how that went. Like, what do

12:18

you mean you're going to Colorado to work at

12:20

a bar? I don't I don't understand. It's like

12:22

you're supposed to be in real and you know,

12:24

I took that time off. So

12:27

so his expectation, his expectation was you were

12:29

going to come work in the business. Yeah,

12:32

like, you know, right away. And that's what you did.

12:34

And, you know, for me, it was different. I went

12:37

started working at a bar was, you know, yeah,

12:39

they had a night job. So I could do all

12:41

the stuff I love doing the day, whether we're skiing,

12:43

fishing, hunting, you know, friends over there, we traveled all

12:45

over the world. I mean, we went

12:47

to Africa spent, you know, eight weeks living out

12:49

of the back of a truck, like all over

12:51

Zimbabwe and South Africa, and all that stuff, you

12:53

know, hunting and just, you know, not,

12:56

you know, this wasn't like a, let's call it

12:58

Hemingway style, you know, catered safari. I mean, we

13:00

were bribing our way across borders. It

13:03

was pretty amazing, probably stupid. But

13:05

one of those times, I guess that you could, you could

13:07

still get away with that. Or

13:10

maybe, you know, when after being held at

13:12

gunpoint a few times, I guess, everything gets

13:14

normalized. So did that

13:17

and realized that it was awesome. But

13:19

it also wasn't the most fulfilling thing

13:21

after a while. So it was then

13:23

going back, you know, entering the business

13:25

and, you know, I guess it

13:27

was right after 911. You

13:29

know, 911 sort of happened and and everything sort of

13:31

accelerated. It was like, hey, I was gonna go back

13:33

eventually. But that, that was like one

13:36

of those things, like, I found out about 911 coming

13:39

out if I was bow hunting elk, just coming out of

13:41

the woods, I get back to my truck, you know, that

13:43

morning. And

13:45

I'm like, wait, what? Like, I

13:48

literally thought it was, you know, from the first radio

13:50

reports, this was radio, this is, you know, pre not

13:53

even tried a cell phone yet. And

13:57

you're listening, it's like, I thought some idiot like

13:59

flu you know, into the World

14:01

Trade Center. And then you start realizing it so much more.

14:03

And then, you know, just because of where I did go

14:06

to school, you know, graduating Wharton, all my friends were down

14:08

on Wall Street. Everyone I knew, family, you know, it was

14:10

just like, okay, time

14:12

to go home. And I was basically, you know, packed up

14:14

my car and was driving home two,

14:16

three days later. So, so 9-11, 2001, you're in, you're

14:21

in Colorado, El Conning that morning.

14:23

Yeah, yeah, that morning. And, you know, three

14:25

days later, I was back in the city

14:28

starting work, something like that. And so what

14:30

time do you get done El Conning on

14:32

a give a day? I

14:34

get just sort of depends on what's happening, right? If you're

14:37

into them, you could be out there all day. If you're

14:39

not, you say, hey, you know, I'm going to go in

14:41

and get an early breakfast, right? So, you know, I think

14:44

just there, just hunting public land elk. So it was, you

14:46

know, kind of low odds, you know, end up pulling it

14:48

off with a couple of buddies of mine. But like, you

14:50

know, we were, I think, up until that

14:52

point, it had been like 28 days straight that I

14:54

was hunting, you know, early in the mornings. And

14:56

then, you know, working late at night. But,

14:59

you know, I guess 22, you can

15:02

pull that off a little. Yeah.

15:05

And the trade centers get hit about nine o'clock in the

15:07

morning, I think. So

15:09

when did you find out? Was it noon? Was it

15:11

11? Well, don't forget, you

15:13

know, Colorado, right? So I'm mountain time. So I'm two

15:15

hours back. So, right. You

15:17

know, I don't remember

15:20

it exactly. And I just, you know, remember from there

15:22

going to my friend's place and just watching what was

15:24

unfolding on TV for the rest of the day, just

15:26

trying to figure it all out. But

15:28

yet, no, it had definitely happened. But, you know, just even

15:30

from the initial reports, just on the radio, it was

15:33

probably fairly early, you

15:36

know, or I was just, I guess people still didn't

15:38

know exactly what was going on for a little while. But

15:41

but that changed the game. And all of a sudden, you

15:43

know, I was like, OK, I'm back in New York. Yeah.

15:45

Did you call home? Did you call dad and say, hey,

15:47

what the hell is happening? Oh, yeah. No, of course. Well,

15:49

I was first of all, I was just scrambling to, you

15:52

know, just to just

15:54

again, this is 2001. And

15:56

so, yeah, you know, not everyone even had a cell

15:58

phone in their pocket. right? If you know, I'm sure,

16:00

you know, my dad had probably a you know, the

16:02

big brick Motorola or whatever at that time, or maybe

16:04

we just going into the flip phones. But like, it

16:07

wasn't what even if you had one, right, it was sort of

16:09

like, no, that was a car phone, like you use it in

16:11

your car, but like, you didn't you didn't think to put it

16:13

in your pocket, you even I mean, it's sort

16:16

of amazing how, how much that has changed.

16:18

Whereas you know, now, I can do

16:20

99% of what I need to do on any given day,

16:23

pretty much from, from my pocket,

16:25

you know, you have access to the Library of Congress

16:27

in your in your pocket. I was unheard of at

16:29

the time. It's crazy, man. So you go back to

16:31

New York, you're like, okay, dad, I'm ready to throw

16:34

in here. Yeah. What

16:36

is that? What do you negotiate a deal? You

16:38

negotiate a salary? Now, now started to started a

16:41

lot lower down, you know, summer jobs

16:43

and stuff like that, you know, before that was, you

16:45

know, I guess, you

16:47

know, I started probably, you know, 12

16:49

or 13 summer jobs and work

16:51

in Atlantic City, you know, where we had, you

16:54

know, casinos, I'd work in the marina as a

16:56

dock attendant, you know, for tips and minimum wage,

16:59

did that for a couple years, then it was like

17:01

working landscaping, you know, one of the places we're doing

17:03

stuff to try to create a golf course of, you

17:05

know, I was joking, I'm probably the only like son

17:07

of a billionaire that can drive like a d 10

17:09

Caterpillar because I actually operated machinery, we were doing these

17:11

things, I was running chainsaws and you

17:15

know, we actually did those things. My father's theory on that

17:17

was, hey, if you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna build

17:19

a wall, no pun intended, or if you're gonna build

17:22

a building and a foundation, like, you

17:25

know, you better know how to actually do

17:27

it, not not theoretically do it from an

17:29

office window. And so, you know, starting young,

17:31

he made made sure we worked, we worked

17:33

pretty, you know, labor intensive type jobs. I

17:36

think one of the greatest things ever for me was honestly

17:40

working sort of minimum wage jobs for tips,

17:42

you understand service. Yep. You know, that came

17:44

in really handy later on, just working in

17:46

sort of the hotel industry, just understanding, you

17:48

know, that difference. Again, there's such a difference

17:50

between theory and practice. So it was funny,

17:52

you know, worked a couple years as a

17:54

marina, but you know, it's how beautiful you're

17:56

in the sun all summer, you're tying up

17:58

boats, there's you know, chicks around,

18:00

like whatever. So even if you're a young

18:03

kid working in a job, it's still sort

18:05

of exciting. And guys are showing

18:07

off. And so they're tipping you at 20

18:10

bucks for a couple seconds of work. And

18:12

that was awesome. You go from

18:14

there to going, literally running

18:16

tractors and

18:19

caterpillars and bulldozers and chainsaws. And

18:22

I remember that transition because it was like, well,

18:24

the first job I was making minimum wage, but

18:27

like my actual income was significantly higher because

18:29

the tip side of it. So I go and

18:31

I'm working a minimum wage

18:33

job now that's much more labor intensive,

18:35

much more dangerous, much more aggressive. And

18:38

no one's tipping you on a construction site. That's

18:40

not how it works. And so

18:42

I remember going like sort of three quarters of the way through the

18:44

summer, I go to my dad. I'm like, wait a second. I'm

18:46

breaking my ass here. And

18:50

I'm making much less than I ever made.

18:52

It's much more grueling. And like,

18:54

why didn't you give me a raise? He was like, well, why

18:57

would I pay you more than you were willing to work

19:00

for? And it was just like, boom, light bulb went off

19:02

in my head. And I was like, oh my God, like

19:04

literally every aspect of life is just, you gotta ask. You

19:07

can't be afraid. Like the word no shouldn't

19:10

even be a consideration in your vocabulary. You just

19:12

gotta go after the things that you want. They're

19:15

not gonna just present that to you. And I

19:17

understand that I'm not pretending for one

19:19

second that I haven't been incredibly

19:22

blessed. But

19:24

those are the sorts of ways he taught

19:26

you the hard way. I tried negotiating retroactive

19:28

for the raise that failed miserably, but the

19:32

lesson stuck and the lesson was really important. So

19:35

for Sabrina, you met Sabrina at your house. She's

19:38

the one that arranged this interview. And I

19:40

appreciate that. Would you tell her,

19:42

keep me that I'm here too as well and

19:44

she's listening. Would you tell

19:46

her in retrospect, looking backward, would

19:49

you have gone and done the Colorado gig or take it

19:51

and say, hey, I'm gonna go help build this empire out

19:54

at 20 or so? No,

19:56

listen, the Colorado gig was

19:59

definitely... It was definitely

20:01

a big thing, right? You get so you're in your early 20s You

20:04

know, you're working in a business even a family business,

20:06

but guess what? You're closing a big deal You're gonna

20:09

you know, you're closing a huge construction loan on a

20:11

you know, a billion dollar project It's like, you

20:13

know, you got you got to be there you get you're there

20:15

till 2 in the morning You're there till 3 in the morning.

20:17

You're there sometimes, you know throughout the night

20:20

you you do that You

20:22

know you cancel vacations because

20:24

they're coming up right well, no, no, this is gonna happen

20:26

this week and then Nothing

20:28

happens you I'm sure you've been there a lot, right?

20:31

The lawyers screw something up You cancel you're in

20:33

you're in vacation you you lose all that you're

20:35

not going on and then nothing even happens, right?

20:38

You know having a you know having

20:40

had that time before you were locked into

20:43

sort of those responsibilities Made

20:45

you realize you actually wanted to be there for certain

20:47

right because you know, you're young you don't know dude.

20:50

I you Things

20:53

change so much in

20:55

your 20s and 30s. It's it's really

20:57

it's really hard you're for many people I I

20:59

don't know that anyone's locked in at their early

21:02

20s I and I saw that, you know

21:04

having having gone to like Wharton undergrad I mean

21:06

these you know, the kids are 14

21:08

years old. I want to be an investment banker I'm

21:10

like, but do you really that was that was sort

21:12

of that was the big thing? Well, it's

21:14

not no, no, no, they just wanted to make a lot of money. Yeah

21:18

You know, they didn't really want to be investment

21:20

bankers the guys that actually did end up being

21:22

really successful You know the guys that

21:24

didn't did it like, you know the two-year they blew

21:26

a hell years Yeah of investment banking and they're like

21:29

shit. I'm not making the money Well, they were not

21:31

making the money because they weren't putting in the extra

21:33

time. They weren't canceling their vacations They weren't doing

21:35

those things and but they didn't know any better So

21:37

they they waste a lot of time and then you

21:39

know when they finally if if they ever

21:42

did figure it out You know, they'd quit and

21:44

do something totally different But now you're starting again in your 30s you

21:46

had to build it up So I think you know

21:48

having that understanding of like I

21:50

tried something different totally different It

21:53

was awesome. But you know, it's not what

21:55

I want to do every day It's

21:57

what I want to do in my free time or my vacations,

21:59

but not every day you start taking the things that you

22:01

love for granted and they become a little bit too easy.

22:05

For me, that was really important. You

22:07

know, I'm sure you have,

22:09

but like, for me, at

22:11

least looking into your life and hearing

22:14

everything and your dad's always this glow

22:16

of all this attention, good,

22:18

bad, indifferent, whatever. I don't

22:20

hear the story about you guys, right? Like

22:22

hearing this, hearing your struggle in

22:24

your 20s, it's

22:27

really very refreshing. I think a lot of people

22:29

that are going to listen to this can be

22:31

like, oh wow, nobody was handing you money. Were

22:33

you given an allowance as a kid? Yeah,

22:36

like in college, I got like 300 bucks a month

22:38

and anything else I wanted to, I

22:42

had to work for during the summer. So like I was

22:44

still the guy bumming beer, but and again, this is not

22:46

like, you're not bitching. I get that I'm

22:48

blessed. When

22:51

I moved to Colorado, I always tell the

22:53

story, I moved to Colorado and there was

22:55

like, okay, you're moving to Colorado. Like, well,

22:57

you're cut off. Like, and, you know, I

22:59

guess, you know, I had

23:02

two things that they sort of forgot. Like

23:04

my car, and I had a gas

23:06

card that they forgot to

23:08

cancel. So like, you know, I joke that I

23:10

sort of spent a year and a half like

23:12

living proverbial off the gas station sushi, because that

23:14

was, you know, a pretty

23:17

significant income boost to whatever I was making in

23:19

a bar. So you, so

23:21

your dad cut you off when you said, I'm

23:23

going to Colorado. Oh, yeah,

23:25

no, listen, you want to be that

23:27

that's fine. 100%. Yeah, but

23:30

my parents always were good with that. And again, I don't

23:34

want to belabor the caveat of like, I get that

23:36

we were blessed. But you know, we, we were spoiled

23:39

the right way. My mom, you know, was sort

23:41

of, you know, very European woman, she, she

23:43

traveled, we traveled all over the world with

23:45

her, we saw incredible things. We

23:48

experienced awesome stuff, we were around really interesting

23:50

people a lot of the times, at least

23:52

with them. But,

23:55

but they never did the, hey, here's whatever money you

23:57

want, just stay out of our hair, you know, they

24:00

They didn't sort of buy peace and quiet by

24:02

just giving us unlimited stuff. So like I said

24:04

earlier, you know, I got Nintendo when all my

24:06

friends were getting Sega, you know, the year late

24:08

because like I had to earn to what we

24:10

were there. By the time I got what I

24:12

had sort of been earning for, it was almost

24:14

like no, no longer

24:16

relevant. Yeah. And

24:18

I think that was really important and

24:20

something that they did a really good job of

24:23

whether, you know, sort of by default or, you

24:26

know, perhaps on purpose. I don't even know. But,

24:29

you know, we were spoiled the

24:31

right way, as I sort of like to say,

24:33

you know, stuff that you could never go back

24:35

and experience and seeing the world and,

24:37

you know, that kind of stuff was incredible. But it

24:39

wasn't, you know, here you're 12 years old, here's 10

24:41

grand. Go do whatever the hell you want. It's it

24:44

was just very different. Yeah. You know,

24:46

I mean, even the people that that hate

24:48

Trump, right? When

24:50

you bring up the for you guys like as

24:52

kids, you guys get him

24:54

a lot of coverage, man. I

24:57

can't tell you how many conversations I've been in. We're

24:59

like, but the kids, I mean,

25:01

he didn't. I appreciate. There's a lot of people that hate

25:03

me, too, but that's OK. Yeah, but that's a new thing.

25:05

That's a new thing. I came up trying to be friends

25:07

with everyone a long time ago. That was another interesting sort

25:09

of business lesson with politics.

25:11

Right. It was, you know, hey,

25:13

you're in hotels, right? You know,

25:16

you're trying to please everyone. Right. You don't want to

25:18

like. But, you know, a

25:20

lot of what I'm doing now, it's sort

25:22

of like, hey, guess what? Like, it's OK.

25:24

Like, I can have some conviction. I can

25:26

do this. And like there's a there's a

25:28

great there's a great business to be had

25:30

being loved by half a country and actually

25:32

fighting for it. Then sort of being agnostic

25:34

to everyone or indifferent to everyone. And

25:37

so, you know, it's sort of interesting how so

25:39

much of that changes. And the way you look

25:41

at the world actually changes, you know, as you

25:44

mature, as circumstance present themselves. Let's just talk about

25:46

the family and the politics thing, because the thing

25:48

that Elaine and I and we're big fans, dude,

25:50

like I voted for your dad. I

25:52

always always vote for him. I'm

25:55

a huge supporter of the

25:57

whole thing because of just like I

25:59

don't want. I'm 65 years old. I

26:02

have not wanted politicians

26:05

for 50 since John Kennedy

26:07

died. I'm like,

26:09

I want somebody that tells the truth. Now I

26:12

think most of the country has prayed and wanted

26:14

for that and said that privately. And

26:16

then when they got it, they're like, no, no, no, I

26:18

don't want it if that's what it means. Well,

26:21

yeah, but I think the whole point is that

26:24

if that's what it means, yeah, was also a

26:26

created thing, right? Like how many things like, yeah,

26:28

well, I don't want Trump is if he's working

26:30

for Russia. Well, that's all a lie. Well, I

26:32

don't I don't like his attitude. I don't mean

26:34

that it would be different if you weren't lying

26:36

up. Meaning if you weren't trying to jail him

26:38

or saying he's a, you know, you're trying to

26:41

jail his children. So yeah, you know, it feels

26:43

like so much of the hate actually for him

26:46

was literally based on circumstance entirely

26:48

created, you know, by the media,

26:50

by the left, by big tech,

26:52

et cetera. Yeah. But

26:55

what I'm saying, even before that, even before the Russia, Russia,

26:57

right? I'm talking about like friends of mine are like, dude,

26:59

I wish he said it different. I'm like, if he said

27:01

it different, he wouldn't get in there in the first place.

27:03

Like, but but so and

27:05

I don't think my wife always accuses me of

27:08

saying everything the wrong way. You know, you step

27:10

on yourself, you say it the wrong way, you

27:12

offend people. I'm like, OK. So

27:15

when when some of that does happen,

27:17

though, OK, the thing I'm most curious

27:19

about is when the kids, when

27:22

you guys even think, hey,

27:25

he went too far, like,

27:27

how do y'all handle him or how

27:30

do y'all handle that internally or do you? Yeah,

27:33

you know, there's sort of not a lot of handling that

27:35

way. It's funny because I mean, it's a totally rational question,

27:38

right? And it's it's one of those people did that all

27:40

the time. So, you know, how

27:42

long, you know, did you guys get together

27:44

and discuss how many months did you discuss

27:47

that he's going to run for president? It was like, oh,

27:49

dude, I don't know, like about 20 minutes before he

27:51

went down the escalator, I was like 50 50

27:54

if this thing actually happens. Let's see. But yeah, you

27:56

know, you know, he's just that way, right? He has

27:58

an instinct and. He goes for it. He's going to

28:01

do what he wants. So, you

28:03

know, it's sort of very different. I think for us

28:06

growing up, you know, you

28:08

had sort of our mother, you

28:10

know, very involved day to day, it's sort

28:12

of, you know, even if we

28:14

had sitters or boarding schools or whatever it is

28:16

that we did, but she was sort of, you

28:18

know, management. You know, once we graduated college and

28:20

starting, you know, entering the workforce, that's sort of

28:23

when he took over. That's, you know, he understands

28:25

what he's good at, what he's not. He's not

28:27

going to be the guy, you know, doing diapers

28:30

and, you know, it just wasn't his thing. Never

28:33

would have been, and he would have been miserable

28:35

with it, you know. So they each sort of

28:37

had distinct roles as we got older. And, you

28:39

know, he took over a lot more, you know,

28:41

once we were more adult and

28:44

he could relate. And so he was always good

28:46

about actually spending time with those moves sort of

28:48

on his terms. It's like, well, you know, okay,

28:50

well come with me this weekend, but that means

28:52

we're going to be walking, you know, a construction

28:54

site for 11 hours. And that's

28:56

pretty exciting. But when you're six, you

28:59

know, it can get

29:01

old a little quick too, right? Right, right. So it's

29:03

roll with me or don't roll with me. Yeah.

29:07

Now, so when he goes too

29:09

far, I mean, have you ever seen him go too

29:11

far? No,

29:13

Grant, I've never actually seen that. As the person who

29:15

used to get called at like 5 a.m., you

29:18

know, this is 2015, you know, you get 5 a.m. Hey,

29:23

you're going to be on CNN in one hour. Congratulations.

29:25

I was like, what happened now? So

29:28

it was always funny like, hey, you're

29:30

done. Did you ever

29:32

think maybe like to tell

29:34

your dad like not to tweet some of that? Like,

29:36

no, I never thought about that. Yeah, I'm the guy

29:39

that gets called at 4 a.m., 5 a.m. Whatever

29:41

it is, you know, three times a week to deal with

29:43

it. But I know I never thought about that. Of course

29:45

you do. But like, I also understand sort

29:48

of, you know, I just understand the way he

29:50

thinks and it's different. It's allowed him to be

29:52

successful across, you know, so many spectrums, right? I

29:54

mean, you know, whether it wasn't just real estate,

29:57

but then taking things to a different level within

29:59

real estate. Then you get into tv, which is

30:01

a brutal and a cutthroat world and you know

30:03

gets to the highest level of that Then hey,

30:05

you know, let's take a shot at politics and

30:08

it's not like hey, I won a seat for

30:10

dog catcher, you know Or city council. It's like

30:12

no, no, no, but like we're just gonna start

30:14

right with the president of the united states and

30:17

win You know, so so,

30:19

you know, I I I just understand it Uh,

30:22

you know it makes sense to me

30:24

and doesn't mean i'm always thrilled with every one of

30:26

the things and you know There's plenty of times I

30:29

disagree, you know But I get what he's

30:31

doing and I I have a lot of respect for

30:33

his ability to see that and that instinct And

30:35

so, you know, I may not always even agree

30:37

with it at the time But then six months later you're

30:39

like, you know what man he nailed it. He was actually

30:41

right, right, right So

30:44

it's interesting now don when you go too far

30:46

has he ever slammed down on you? Oh It's

30:50

so funny. Give me one The

30:52

the the calls I yeah, I used to get this a

30:54

lot, you know And in the

30:56

like the irony of all ironies was you

30:59

know, and Kimberly was there for a couple of these, you know

31:01

I'd get a call like, you know, uh, mr.

31:03

Trump jr This is the white house operator. Hey,

31:06

this is when he was president, right? Like

31:08

uh-oh what I do now, I was like on a first name basis with

31:10

these guys and you know Well, I I don't

31:12

know. I don't know sir, but uh, the president would like to

31:14

speak to you and he'd get on the phone like hey

31:17

don, uh You're too

31:19

aggressive on social media i'm

31:21

like Wait

31:24

what Like

31:26

just wait say it again, please

31:28

because I was like I get

31:30

a debt I I love you Uh,

31:32

you know, I I respect and i'm i'm fairly differential

31:34

to a lot of things I mean if you're gonna

31:37

you Sit me down and talk about

31:39

business and like looking at things in a certain

31:41

way in life You know, I am more than happy

31:43

to have that conversation But if you're gonna talk about

31:45

being a little too aggressive on social media I

31:47

believe you may have seated the moral high ground on

31:50

this one and uh, It was

31:52

like that 1980s like drug commercial, you know, it's like

31:54

I learned it by watching you dead So

31:56

yeah, no, yeah, no, there's definitely times but it's

31:58

usually it was It's usually about

32:00

me being too aggressive on social media,

32:03

which I just always found hilarious.

32:06

So that brings me to the Skittles comment,

32:08

okay? Yeah. By the way, you were

32:10

right on Skittles. Of course I was

32:12

right. It doesn't, you know, yeah, that was a simple thing.

32:15

I mean, Skittles sit in a band. It

32:17

was about refugees, and I know that's a terrible thing. You're

32:19

not allowed to be critical of this, but I basically was

32:21

a pitcher of, like, you know, 10,000

32:23

Skittles in a bowl and say, hey, if one of

32:26

these things was laced with cyanide, like, would

32:28

you still eat from the bowl? And

32:31

oh, he's raised, I'm like, it's not raised. It's called

32:33

probability and statistics. You know what I mean? It has

32:35

nothing to do with, like, are

32:37

we gonna do that? We're going through a time we're

32:39

letting in, I'll continue to do so, you know,

32:42

unvetted, unfettered amounts of

32:44

people into our country. And like, eventually something's gonna

32:46

go wrong and we're gonna see that. And so

32:49

it was more of a commentary on probability,

32:52

math, statistics, and the

32:54

reality is you would never take

32:56

one of those Skittles as a chance, but, you

32:58

know, they try to turn everything into everything. Racism

33:02

is the easy button of today's, of the

33:04

political left, right? Something

33:06

that, you know, could be about math, that's

33:08

racist, you see the reverse racism in DEI.

33:11

I mean, perhaps no better week than

33:13

what we're seeing happening at Harvard this week,

33:16

right, you have the head of Harvard. When

33:18

you say DEI, Don, just for everybody,

33:20

DEI, you refer to what? Diversity,

33:23

equity, and inclusion. The

33:26

pillar of today's left. So, you know, you don't have

33:29

to be qualified, but if you check a couple other

33:31

boxes, in whatever happens to be sort

33:33

of the woke favorite category of the

33:35

week, like, man, then doesn't really matter. So

33:37

the president of Harvard this week was caught,

33:40

I believe in five separate plagiarism scandals.

33:43

Those would have clearly violated the standards

33:45

of Harvard. She's the president of the

33:48

university. You know, not

33:50

particularly, you know, as an academic, not someone who's

33:52

written a lot of papers, but I believe she's

33:54

done 11 academic papers. Five of them were clearly

33:58

plagiarized. It

34:00

has been caught, but nothing's going to happen.

34:02

This follows after a few weeks

34:04

of turning a blind eye to rabid

34:07

hate and anti-Semitism Against

34:10

you know jews on harvard's campus that this

34:12

happened at pen my alma mater That

34:15

that lady the president there did the same thing

34:17

and was removed But you know, she was white

34:20

and it's a little bit different, I guess And

34:23

you know, so you see this sort of the

34:25

irony of all these things going on right now

34:28

uh, you know do as I say not

34:30

as I do but you know The whole

34:32

race issue has just become the easy button

34:34

of the political left if you don't like

34:36

it You're racist you're misogynist you're this and

34:38

at this point, I think so many people at least for a

34:40

while They were so afraid of it. But

34:42

now it's like it's all you got like

34:45

it Oh, you're calling me racist like,

34:47

you know roll eyes move on because it

34:49

doesn't mean anything anymore Which doesn't major disservice

34:51

to the people who are actually still affected

34:53

by racism. I'm not saying it doesn't exist

34:56

I'm just saying it's not the cause of and

34:58

solution for all of life's problems like the left

35:00

has turned it into So when you're called a

35:02

racist, what is your response? It's

35:05

like show me Prove it like

35:07

you you may not like what i'm saying, but if

35:09

it's you know, if it you know math is racist

35:12

Grant we heard that because you know people are underperforming. We're

35:14

going to get rid of uh,

35:16

you know ap classes in high schools because

35:20

Uh, you know certain demographics may not perform as

35:22

well and we don't want them to feel bad

35:24

about ourselves So rather than actually, you know enabling,

35:26

uh, you know gifted kids to

35:28

excel it doesn't matter You know if they're

35:30

purple blue or green we're gonna we're gonna

35:32

eliminate those programs to make sure we're catering

35:34

to the lowest common denominator It's

35:36

just not a recipe for success when

35:39

when uh Ukraine

35:43

went off and when putin I

35:45

think putin had tanks there for for months

35:48

And and I don't know i'm asking you know

35:50

the entity that's linked to you taking money from

35:52

communist china Your dad

35:54

being there when those tanks lined up there

35:57

for whatever three weeks or whatever the time

35:59

was how Like, Biden

36:01

has to know it. And

36:05

it is unimaginable to me that

36:08

Putin did not have authority from

36:10

Joe Biden to do his thing.

36:14

Well, you know, what I think Joe

36:16

Biden did, you know, and the Democrats

36:18

and really the sort of DC war

36:20

machine is they gave Putin every excuse

36:22

that he needed to invade. Don't

36:25

forget the red line, you know,

36:27

proverbial red line for Putin was

36:29

always, hey, Ukraine is this like

36:31

thousand mile long, very large country

36:33

by landmass buffer zone between

36:35

NATO and Russia's border. And

36:38

that was always sort of like that. Hey, don't

36:40

do it. We're happy with the buffer zone. Half of

36:42

Ukraine is sort of ethically Russian anyway. This

36:45

has worked for 60 years. Don't

36:48

do it. And, you know, Joe

36:50

Biden and the Democrats and the war machine, no,

36:52

no, no, we're going to bring them into NATO.

36:54

We're going to we're like, so you're going to

36:56

move NATO's borders closer to them. Like that was

36:58

to me and again, I'm not saying Putin's a

37:00

good guy. This is not me being an apologist

37:02

for him. But like

37:05

you gave him maybe he was going to

37:07

do it ever anyway, just like China is

37:09

going to eventually going into Taiwan. But we've

37:11

just made it easier by exuding weakness, by

37:14

exuding incompetence, by depleting our

37:16

military stockpile fighting other people's

37:19

wars. And so,

37:21

you know, maybe he would have done

37:23

it anyway. We literally were like basically

37:26

taunting him. And again, understanding sort of

37:28

the Eastern European mentality, it's a

37:30

little different. Right. It's not like the

37:32

U.S. today. Like, you know, there's some sort of a macho

37:34

culture there. And if you're going to taunt the guy on

37:36

a world stage, that's also problematic.

37:38

So we did all of this and it's like, oh,

37:40

my God, I can't believe he did this. Like, well,

37:42

he gave you a pretty clear red line. You brought

37:44

in this country who's not a member of NATO, never

37:46

has been. You

37:49

gave him every excuse that he needed to

37:51

do it. And now, to

37:54

your point, maybe a little bit, or at least perhaps where

37:56

you were alluding to, it's like, well, now

37:58

it seems like there's this incredible apnea. I mean, I

38:00

know we got out of Afghanistan like 18 months ago,

38:02

so the war machines chomping at the bit and you

38:05

know, our generals only, you know, their retirement plan

38:07

isn't to go, you know, buy real estate and do

38:09

this is to get on the board of Ray

38:11

Theon and Lockheed Martin and sell more missiles. The only

38:13

way you do that is, you know, by being in

38:15

yet another never ending war. But I

38:17

mean, you know, we're doing it again. I mean,

38:20

I think Joe Biden did it yesterday. Like, well,

38:22

we're going to talk about make sure that, you

38:24

know, Ukraine gets into NATO now. I'm

38:26

like, wait, so we're then going to commit our troops because they're already in

38:28

a war. We let them in like they're

38:31

like begging for a ground war in

38:33

Europe. I'm like, I don't even understand.

38:35

Yeah, I don't even know. It makes

38:37

no sense whatsoever until you understand that

38:39

there's no money in peace. There's

38:42

only money in a war. Yeah. And

38:45

when you realize that DC doesn't create anything,

38:47

they don't build anything. They peddle influence, you

38:49

know, and negotiate these war

38:51

contracts and who's getting what

38:54

missiles you realize how out of

38:56

sync they are. I've done this a lot. You

38:58

know, like you, you know, I

39:00

speak a lot publicly to pretty big

39:02

crowds. I have

39:04

done this. What's the biggest crowd you've

39:06

done? I mean,

39:08

you know, I've done the RNC, you know, 25, 30,000.

39:12

You know, for me, I listen, I got a

39:14

little bit of the Trump gene, right? You know,

39:16

for me, it's actually easier to speak to a

39:18

bigger crowd, right? The bigger the crowd, the better.

39:20

The energy you get from that. It

39:23

just makes it easier for me. Like I went for whatever

39:25

reason. I'm the opposite of a lot of people where, you

39:27

know, they panic in front of 10 people in front of

39:29

10 people. I'm not panic. I'm just

39:31

bored. Yeah. With, you know, so

39:33

the bigger, the better. But I've over the last year, I've

39:35

done this now probably in front of 30, 35,000 people total,

39:38

right? You know, 10, 15 events, some

39:41

big rallies from my father, 15, 17,000 people, some 5, 600

39:45

to 2,500 people in a room. You

39:48

know, hey, is Ukraine a

39:50

top one, top two, top five, top 10

39:52

issue for any of the people in the

39:55

room, 30,000 people total over the last year.

39:58

One person raised his hand once. it was

40:00

a top 10 issue, not even a top five. So it's

40:02

like, okay, so it's a top 10. Why? It's like, well,

40:04

I'm from Ukraine. It's like, okay, that I understand. But

40:07

if you ask Mitch McConnell and the Republican

40:10

leadership, it is the number one issue for

40:12

Republicans across America. I'm like, I've been in

40:14

front of more Republicans across America than Mitch

40:16

McConnell has been in his lifetime. You

40:19

know, if those guys can put 510 people

40:21

in a room, they're blessed. It's different from

40:23

me or my father or for the places

40:25

that I speak at, or if I open

40:27

up for my father. So I'm seeing tens

40:29

of thousands of Americans on a monthly basis,

40:32

and it's not a top 10 issue for them. So there's, there's

40:35

a disalignment between the people

40:37

that we've chosen or have

40:39

put in there to represent us and

40:42

the people who are supposed to be represented. And there's

40:44

no consequence for that. And

40:46

so, you know, I'm hoping that Americans are

40:48

starting to finally figure that out because there's

40:50

not a Republican I've spoken to in a

40:52

year that thinks it's even remotely an issue.

40:54

And yet we're gonna, we've spent $130 billion.

40:57

We have no interest in fixing our border. We could

40:59

have done that for three billion,

41:01

but we will spend, you know, a

41:03

hundred X, uh, you

41:05

know, in Ukraine, they want to spend another 60.

41:08

They haven't articulated what our goals are or what

41:10

that actually gets us. If 130 didn't get us

41:12

anything, what's the next 60? Yeah. I mean, Ukraine

41:15

is not winning this thing. You know, we hear,

41:17

oh, Ukraine took out a Russian tank today. That's

41:19

wonderful. You know, meanwhile, Russia takes over another city

41:22

and it's like, well, it was a strategic withdrawal

41:24

by Ukraine. It's like, no, it's not. They're losing

41:26

and all you're doing is

41:28

peddling money and influence while the people that,

41:30

you know, Zelensky and others view as the

41:32

peasants get to go be sent to the

41:34

front lines to die as cannon fodder. Like,

41:37

I don't even like, Hey,

41:39

I'm fine with money to do it to something if

41:41

you can articulate the goal, but they're not even doing

41:43

that. So what do you think? Very

41:45

vocal about it. And it's, it's pretty disgusting. What's going

41:47

on? What would you suggest we do there? Wait,

41:50

the second you cut off the money, guess what?

41:52

People get to the table. Right. Okay. It's no

41:54

different than a real estate deal. That's right. You

41:57

know, you know, when you're talking

41:59

about And

44:00

you just know what's going on. So I think for

44:02

me, the last few years have been so enlightening because

44:05

you're told, no, America, it's this

44:07

shining beacon on a hill. And

44:10

everything's so great. You realize, dude, they're all

44:12

soundbites for these guys. It

44:15

doesn't actually mean anything. The Democrats, they're all

44:17

about democracy and transparency. And yet they're trying

44:19

to jail their political opponents. And they're trying

44:21

to make sure that they're colluding

44:24

with big tech to censor any view that is other

44:26

than their own. And I'm like, it

44:29

doesn't seem like they're all for democracy

44:31

within our republic. It seems like, no, no, no,

44:33

it's just a BS soundbite that they can say.

44:35

They scream it, but they're not actually preaching it.

44:38

Or they're not actually practicing it in real life.

44:40

And so I think the

44:42

underbelly of what's going

44:46

on in the weather, Trump's

44:48

arrangement syndrome, the insanity to the response

44:50

to anything. If Trump

44:52

said Merry Christmas, it was like, oh my god,

44:54

this is worse than Watergate. And yet you have

44:57

Joe Biden and his son taking billions

44:59

from China for no conceivable real purpose

45:02

other than obviously influence peddling. We don't

45:04

want to look into that. Wait

45:06

a minute. I did 40

45:08

plus hours of congressional testimony for

45:10

treason on the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.

45:13

We now know that's a lie. There's no accountability for

45:15

that. But we're not going to

45:17

break it. If Hunter Biden doesn't need to go speak in,

45:20

we'll do it publicly, which is a farce, by

45:22

the way, because they don't get into the details.

45:24

The lawyers aren't asking the questions. The five minute

45:26

on and off, it's not transparency. It's exactly the

45:28

opposite. But the media will sell you this. If

45:31

the shoes were reversed, if I was taking money from

45:33

China and I'm sending checks to my dad and I'm

45:35

doing it, I have a feeling

45:37

they'd want to know. You'd be under the prison. But

45:39

now they're very different. Yeah. What do you think? It's

45:41

amazing stuff. Yeah, what do you think happens to Hunter?

45:45

Well, listen, I think they'll do whatever they can

45:47

to avoid that. They'll

45:49

take whatever Congress throws out of them. The Republicans will

45:51

never fight hard enough to actually do it. And I

45:54

understand just how hard the Democrats will fight because I

45:56

was subject to it. Joe

45:58

will eventually pardon. Wasn't

48:00

she? Oh Man, yeah,

48:02

a hundred percent. Hey, listen, I

48:04

I didn't know it But I think a big

48:06

part of what when she was sending me there

48:08

every summer was so hey I understand just how

48:11

blessed we are to have what we have here

48:13

in America I don't mean you know being born

48:15

as a Trump. I mean freedom You

48:17

know, I my first sort of my

48:20

first real memory of like fear one

48:22

of the first times I was going over that I was five six years old

48:25

Grandfather was picking me up at the airport and you know

48:27

sort of the early 80s, right? I'm wearing like a jean

48:29

jacket and I had the Stars and Stripes on it They

48:31

you know flag I guess it was 80s cool. He's a

48:34

blonde bowl cut I probably thought I

48:36

was a badass but it was you know, I literally got pulled

48:38

out of line, you know by a soldier

48:40

with an Ak-47 it was like are you here

48:42

to spread the propaganda? I didn't know what propaganda

48:44

was I was like six like but

48:47

it was like oh my god Like you you

48:49

can't even can't even wear a jean jacket here

48:51

without why being you know being

48:53

questioned You know, is there an ulterior motive? But

48:55

I was six like I didn't even get the

48:57

benefit of the doubt or like it's just an

48:59

American kid Like they don't even know, you know,

49:02

they were concerned that you even someone like that

49:04

could possibly be doing something like that and

49:07

again, you you're certainly

49:09

seeing the foundation of that here right now

49:11

and so You know, I don't

49:13

think it was intentional necessarily But that was

49:16

definitely sort of the start of my

49:18

political leanings, right? I'm supposed to be you know I

49:20

went to an Ivy League school. I lived in New

49:22

York I you know, I held my

49:24

first political fundraiser was for Andrew Cuomo Well, as

49:26

you know, if you're a real estate guy you

49:28

need, you know You're the Attorney General of the

49:30

state signs off on every one of your offering

49:32

plans, right? That's how you build a building, you

49:34

know, so that that's how the games played so

49:36

I get it But

49:39

but I wasn't And

49:42

I think a big part of it was really because of

49:44

that upbringing people, you know if they just Don't

49:48

buy into the BS Look

49:50

to facts and reason it sort of becomes

49:52

obvious and I think that the other big

49:54

the big thing is people have to get

49:56

Involved right they have to become unafraid to

49:59

actually have this